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Dishonest Realtors and The RECBC

In the wake of a recent CTV news story by Lynda Steele (Dishonest Realtor’s Punishment Questioned by Victim) involving the Real Estate Council of BC’s disciplining of Marco Vincenzi, Whispers From the Edge of the Rainforest blog has run a couple posts that I’ve commented on.

Additionally, Trish Johnson, who regularly posts the daily stats here has bent my ear (via email) with outrage over the events recounted.

People are upset over two things: the actions of Mr. Vincenzi and the punishment handed out by the Real Estate Council of BC. The ling and short of the story is that Mr. Vincenzi allegedly forged a document, and after consenting to discipline received a $1,250 fine, a four month suspension of his license, and the requirement to take some education.

I say that Mr. Vincenzi is alleged to have committed forgery because I haven’t seen the evidence. That’s an abundance of caution on my part. Most people seem pretty confident that he’s guilty as charged.

Before I get too far into this let me make a few things clear:

  • Forgery is a crime;
  • The punishment should fit the crime
  • A fine should not be so low that it can be written off as a cost of doing business
  • Civil court should be a place for damages to be collected. It should not be the tool to enforce good behavior.

Aside from the fact that forgery is a crime the rest are merely my opinions.

The story, as I understand it, is as follows. I’m filling in blanks based on my experience.

The agent and his buyer came across a listing that the buyer wanted to make an offer on. The listing did not offer a full co-operating commission, but rather, some sort of discounted amount. I suspect that it was more than a “mere posting”, because as I understand things the seller’s realtor was involved in more than merely posting the listing on the MLS, but was in fact involved in the sale process. There seems to have been, in other words, two agents involved in the transaction, one working for the seller and one working for the buyer.

The buyer agent reported having some trouble getting in touch with the listing side. In a mere posting situation this is a distinct possibility, as the selling side has no professional representation – it is possible that a FSBO seller is difficult to contact. It appears, however, that the real reason for the reported communication delay between seller and buyer was that the buyer agent was negotiating a fee agreement with the seller whereby the seller would top up the discounted commission.

This form was executed by the seller. There was agreement between the seller and the buyer agent. However, there is a prohibition against secret commissions in BC. That means that both parties to the transaction, both buyer and seller, must be aware of how much their agent is being compensated in a transaction. Clearly, as a result of the fee agreement and the MLS contract itself, the seller knew exactly what both the seller agent and buyer agent were getting paid.

The buyer, however, was apparently not aware, because Mr. Vincenzi allegedly forged here signature on the fee agreement. If this is the case I can’t for the life of me understand what Mr. Vincenzi was thinking. The paperwork for a real estate transaction goes through many hands after the parties agree. Brokers and conveyancing secretaries on each side see it almost immediately. It then goes to lawyers, where again, a secretary and a lawyer will both see it. The information in the paperwork is used to, among other things, create a statement of adjustments – the accounting for the monies in the transaction, showing who’s getting what and demonstrating that everyone is getting paid the right amounts. That, of course, is where the rubber hits the road. The buyer gets to see that paper, and so would have seen the effect of the fee agreement.

Granted, the buyer may not have noticed, but the fact remains that a forgery in a real estate transaction has to pass many sets of eyes.

This one didn’t. According to reports it was discovered right away by the seller’s agent, who reported it to the buyer agent’s broker. The jig was up.

What was the damage? It’s arguable that the buyer suffered nothing. The seller seems to have agreed to pay the commission from his end. The sale completed and the buyer apparently took possession as outlined in the contract. She went through some unnecessary stress while the offer was being negotiated, and got a shock on closing, but arguably as far as she is concerned, all’s well that ends well.

Except her agent forged her signature on a document.

How serious is that? As I’ve said, it’s a crime, but the police are reported to have looked into this and declined to go after the buyer agent. Personally, I think its very serious, but I’m not the police.

A core agency duty is to promote your client’s interests as you would your own. Another is the duty to provide your client with any information that may reasonably be expected to influence her decisions. That didn’t happen. That means that the agent breached his fiduciary duties to the client.

The client complained.

Since the police aren’t interested in the complaint it can go two places: the appropriate real estate board and/or the Real Estate Council of BC. There are some important differences.

A real estate board (in this case the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver – REBGV) cannot take away an agent’s license. The REBGV can suspend membership, require education, and fine the agent up to $10,000. That’s it.

The RECBC is a government body, however, and can, in addition to suspending licensing (not membership, which is not a requirement to practice real estate, but licensing, which is a requirement), fining and requiring education, can also take a license away permanently.

I don’t know if the buyer complained to the REBGV, but if she did this complaint would have been held in abeyance until the RECBC dealt with their complaint. The thinking is that there is no sense in the REBGV investigating the conduct of a member who has lost their license permanently. (If that makes you think that the REBGV may yet have a meeting with Mr. Vincenzi you could well be correct).

So, the RECBC fined Mr. Vincenzi $1,250, suspended him for 4 months and required him to take some education. The suspension takes effect in June, apparently allowing for a month to pass in case Mr. Vincenzi wants to appeal.

Does the punishment fit the crime? The buyer did not suffer anywhere near as greatly as she could have, that much is clear. On the other hand, it’s important to realize the realtors are required by provincial law to carry errors and omissions insurance. That means that if the forgery had cost the buyer a great deal of money she’d have a good chance to recover it. I think its fair to say that the existence of the E&O insurance reduces everyone’s exposure to financial loss resulting from professional misconduct. Putting everyone on an even playing field in terms of financial loss makes the size of the financial loss actually suffered less important in determining punishment. I think we can recognize that the buyer could have fared much worse without excusing her agent at all. From that point of view, the punishment does not fit the crime.

Mr. Vincenzi forged a document in order to earn money. Its not clear how much he wanted to earn, but let’s assume he was acting on the purchase of a $350,000 Yaletown condo. It’s not unrealistic to assume the commission he would have expected would be roughly half of the common commission rate, or about $6,000. Would a reasonable person risk $1,250 to get $6,000? Its very hard to answer that question if you can’t quantify the risk, but it certainly seems unjust that unlawfully trying to earn $6,000 should cost $1,250 when caught. (It is another question entirely to wonder what actually happened to the hypothetical $6,000. Did the seller keep it after agreeing to pay it, or did it go to the buyer, who is arguably entitled to it as a result of the agency duties being breached).

Still, we can’t forget the suspension. A 120 day license suspension means that Mr. Vincenzi cannot sell real estate for 25% of the year. For a person earning $90,000 per year, gross, that’s a potential hit of $22,500. That’s not negligible. The knock against this interpretation is that a license suspension can be construed as an enforced vacation. If the suspension was for two weeks, and if it coincided with Mr. Vincenzi’s marriage, we could certainly characterize it as a vacation. Four months? Not so much. Who among us pulling down $60,000-70,000 per year (net) could easily deal with loss of employment for a 1/3 of a year? That strikes me as reasonable.

For those who feel that forgery is a crime that merits permanent loss of a license, all I can say is that we live in a very lenient society. As a realtor whose reputation suffers as a result of Mr. Vincenzi’s actions, I’d support that sort of ban, but I think that I’m in the minority of citizens. After all, look at what we do to car thieves and murderers.

The education requirement is really just a bit more financial penalty. All realtors take continuing professional education, and anyone who has been in the business for very long has repeated several courses. There’s a good chance that the courses Mr. Vincenzi has to take are ones he’s already been to. They will not stress the concept of forgery being wrong – we consider that to be obvious. However, he will have to take a day off work (unless he does it during his suspension) and he will have to pay for the courses.

I’ve addressed whether the fine should be a cost of doing business. I think it should have been higher. What about damages?

A consumer can’t sue a realtor for damages if the consumer hasn’t suffered damages. In this case the buyer got the property at a price she wanted and was able to move in. She experienced stress, but that’s not a lot of damage once we start talking about going to court. I am, however, curious about what happened to the commission that Mr. Vincenzi negotiated with the seller. If he was paid that amount (after all, the seller had no objection to paying him), then in my opinion it should be forfeit to the buyer, as a remedy for his breach of his agency duties. Hopefully this is what occurred. If you ever find yourself in a situation where your agent breaches his agency duties to you remember this: his claim to commission is generally forfeit.

The reason I bring this last bit up is because although civil court is always a recourse for consumers it should not be the way we ensure good behaviour from realtors. That should come from the RECBC and the appropriate real estate board.

Do you think that the penalty handed to Mr. Vincenzi is appropriate? Too low? Too harsh? Please let me know.

In your own dealings remember that a realtor must disclose all commissions earned. That means that if you’re selling you’ll see that disclosure on the listing contract itself, but if you’re buying it will come separately. Make sure you see it, and make sure you understand that realtors do not work for free. It may seem that way to a buyer, but in fact buyers play a critical part in paying realtors.

May 2013 Real Estate Statistics Release from the REBGV

The REBGV has just released its May real estate statistics press release. It is quoted below, and my comments follow after that.

Spring months bring balance to Greater Vancouver housing market

While the number of home sales in Greater Vancouver continued to trend below the 10-year average in May, the balance of sales and listings meant continued market stability this spring.

The Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver (REBGV) reports that residential property sales in Greater Vancouver reached 2,882 on the Multiple Listing Service® (MLS®) in May 2013. This represents a one per cent increase compared to the 2,853 sales recorded in May 2012, and a 9.7 per cent increase compared to the 2,627 sales in April 2013.

Last month’s sales were 19.4 per cent below the 10-year sales average for the month, while new listings for the month were 7.4 percent below the 10-year average.

“We’ve seen some steadying trends over the last three months,” Sandra Wyant, REBGV president said. “The number of homes listed for sale has been keeping pace with the number of property sales, leading to a balanced sales-to-listings ratio. This is having a stabilizing influence on home price activity.”

New listings for detached, attached and apartment properties in Greater Vancouver totalled 5,656 in May. This represents an 18.3 per cent decline compared to the 6,927 new listings reported in May 2012 and a 3.7 per cent decline from the 5,876 new listings in April of this year.

The total number of properties currently listed for sale on the MLS® in Greater Vancouver is 17,222, a 3.4 per cent decrease compared to May 2012 and a 2.9 per cent increase compared to April 2013.

The sales-to-active-listings ratio currently sits at 17 per cent in Greater Vancouver. This is the third straight month that this ratio has been above 15 per cent. Previous to this, May 2012 was the last time this ratio was above 15 per cent.

The MLS® Home Price Index composite benchmark price for all residential properties in Greater Vancouver is currently $598,400. This represents a decline of 4.3 per cent compared to this time last year and an increase of 1.8 per cent compared to January 2013.

Sales of detached properties reached 1,212 in May 2013, an increase of 2.7 per cent from the 1,180 detached sales recorded in May 2012, and a 22.8 per cent decrease from the 1,570 units sold in May 2011. The benchmark price for detached properties decreased 5.2 per cent from May 2012 to $917,200.

Sales of apartment properties reached 1,136 in May 2013, a decline of 1.7 per cent compared to the 1,156 sales in May 2012, and a decrease of 7.5 per cent compared to the 1,228 sales in May 2011. The benchmark price of an apartment property decreased 3.7 per cent from May 2012 to $365,600.

Attached property sales in May 2013 totalled 534, an increase of 3.3 per cent compared to the 517 sales in May 2012, and a 7.8 per cent decrease from the 579 attached properties sold in May 2011. The benchmark price of an attached unit decreased 3.2 per cent between May 2012 and 2013 to $454,900.

While sales remain low I do think we are starting to see a small improvement on the sales side (I stress “small). DOMs dropping, slightly, and sell/lists are improving, slightly. Sales are still way off the ten year averages, but let’s remember that ten years ago we were just entering the hottest market this area has ever seen.

Meanwhile, listings are also below the ten year average, which is a positive for prices.

Average prices were all up in May compared to April, but we haven’t set any new peaks. We’re trading squarely between some fairly firm upper and lower limits. Detached average price came in at $1,169,149. Detached came in at $574,881, and apartments came in at $$448,768.

Out of 15 sub-areas reporting across 31 categories (detached, attached and apartment for each geographic sub-category, with areas with more than 19 sales), 14 registered median selling price increases and 17 registered price decreases. Bright spots for increases were detached Maple Ridge, New West and East Van. Bright spots for those looking for price retreats were Burnaby attached, North Van detached and attached, Port Moody/Belcarra detached, East Van attached and West Vancouver detached. Most everything else saw minor changes to the median.

Compared to May 2012 we’re still markedly more down than up. Out of 32 sub-sub categories (geographic and property type) we’re down in 21 – that’s down in 67% of the categories. Again, we’re trading within a narrow range, as I predicted we would be. There is little motivation for many sellers to drop prices, while buyers are still being asked to pay extremely high prices. That’s what a balanced market looks like these days. It clearly favours sellers, even though they have to work a bit harder to get things sold.

You can download a complete copy of the REBGV May real estate statistics press release here.

June 3, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics

June 3, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics for the REBGV and FVREB.



Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver (REBGV) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-06-03180$943,586$896,578$47,0084.9853


Fraser Valley Real Estate Board (FVREB) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-06-0359$500,703$487,329$13,3732.6744


Results for Both Boards

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-06-03239$834,255$795,550$38,7054.6451


How to read these tables

The first column is date, which is self-explanatory. The second is the number of sales in the specific area. Sales include detached, attached, apartment, land only and multi-family. Multi-family tends to include smaller multi-unit buildings rather than apartment buildings, which usually turn up on the commercial MLS system. There are also few multi-family sales each week. The third column is average list price for the day – in other words, the total of all list prices divided by the number of new listings. The fourth column is the average sales price of all sales reported that day. the sales are reported after subjects are removed, and can be from 0 to perhaps 14 days old. Listings, by comparison, are generally brand new, and lag by at most 3-5 days (in times of high listing volume the lag can be a little more, but not as much as with sales).

The fifth and sixth columns show the difference between average list price and sell price in dollar figures and percentages. Hot markets see properties sell within 1%-1.5% of list price.

The last column is days on market (DOMs). In most real estate markets 60 DOMs is by no means bad, and would often be regarded as great. In the Lower Mainland, especially compared to the last decade, it is high. Hot markets see DOMs like 30.



Snapshot

New Listings 442

Price Changes 175

Sold Listings 239



Sell/List

The sell/list is a simple measure of demand that divides a given number of sales by the number of new listings taken during the same period. It is expressed as a percentage. In a hot market, we sell more properties than we list, so the number exceeds 100%. Markets like that commonly see multiple offers over list price. Slow markets, on the other hand, are characterized by low sell/lists, below 35%.

Today’s sell/list was 54.07%



Vancouver real estate sales statistics are courtesy of the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver, and while all efforts are made to ensure their accuracy, neither the REBGV nor Rob Chipman are liable for any errors.

May 31, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics

May 31, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics for the REBGV and FVREB.



Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver (REBGV) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-31129$842,493$805,883$36,6104.3558


Fraser Valley Real Estate Board (FVREB) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-3173$558,543$546,435$12,1072.1758


Results for Both Boards

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-31202$739,878$712,122$27,7553.7558


How to read these tables

The first column is date, which is self-explanatory. The second is the number of sales in the specific area. Sales include detached, attached, apartment, land only and multi-family. Multi-family tends to include smaller multi-unit buildings rather than apartment buildings, which usually turn up on the commercial MLS system. There are also few multi-family sales each week. The third column is average list price for the day – in other words, the total of all list prices divided by the number of new listings. The fourth column is the average sales price of all sales reported that day. the sales are reported after subjects are removed, and can be from 0 to perhaps 14 days old. Listings, by comparison, are generally brand new, and lag by at most 3-5 days (in times of high listing volume the lag can be a little more, but not as much as with sales).

The fifth and sixth columns show the difference between average list price and sell price in dollar figures and percentages. Hot markets see properties sell within 1%-1.5% of list price.

The last column is days on market (DOMs). In most real estate markets 60 DOMs is by no means bad, and would often be regarded as great. In the Lower Mainland, especially compared to the last decade, it is high. Hot markets see DOMs like 30.



Snapshot

New Listings 307

Price Changes 202

Sold Listings 202



Sell/List

The sell/list is a simple measure of demand that divides a given number of sales by the number of new listings taken during the same period. It is expressed as a percentage. In a hot market, we sell more properties than we list, so the number exceeds 100%. Markets like that commonly see multiple offers over list price. Slow markets, on the other hand, are characterized by low sell/lists, below 35%.

Today’s sell/list was 66.10%



Vancouver real estate sales statistics are courtesy of the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver, and while all efforts are made to ensure their accuracy, neither the REBGV nor Rob Chipman are liable for any errors.

May 30, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics

May 30, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics for the REBGV and FVREB.



Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver (REBGV) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-30101$654,582$633,278$21,3043.2548


Fraser Valley Real Estate Board (FVREB) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-3086$538,977$520,132$18,8443.5045


Results for Both Boards

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-30187$601,416$581,243$20,1733.3547


How to read these tables

The first column is date, which is self-explanatory. The second is the number of sales in the specific area. Sales include detached, attached, apartment, land only and multi-family. Multi-family tends to include smaller multi-unit buildings rather than apartment buildings, which usually turn up on the commercial MLS system. There are also few multi-family sales each week. The third column is average list price for the day – in other words, the total of all list prices divided by the number of new listings. The fourth column is the average sales price of all sales reported that day. the sales are reported after subjects are removed, and can be from 0 to perhaps 14 days old. Listings, by comparison, are generally brand new, and lag by at most 3-5 days (in times of high listing volume the lag can be a little more, but not as much as with sales).

The fifth and sixth columns show the difference between average list price and sell price in dollar figures and percentages. Hot markets see properties sell within 1%-1.5% of list price.

The last column is days on market (DOMs). In most real estate markets 60 DOMs is by no means bad, and would often be regarded as great. In the Lower Mainland, especially compared to the last decade, it is high. Hot markets see DOMs like 30.



Snapshot

New Listings 340

Price Changes 192

Sold Listings 187



Sell/List

The sell/list is a simple measure of demand that divides a given number of sales by the number of new listings taken during the same period. It is expressed as a percentage. In a hot market, we sell more properties than we list, so the number exceeds 100%. Markets like that commonly see multiple offers over list price. Slow markets, on the other hand, are characterized by low sell/lists, below 35%.

Today’s sell/list was 55.00%



Vancouver real estate sales statistics are courtesy of the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver, and while all efforts are made to ensure their accuracy, neither the REBGV nor Rob Chipman are liable for any errors.

May 29, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics

May 29, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics for the REBGV and FVREB.



Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver (REBGV) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-29101$654,582$633,278$21,3043.2548


Fraser Valley Real Estate Board (FVREB) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-2986$538,977$520,132$18,8443.5045


Results for Both Boards

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-29187$601,416$581,243$20,1733.3547


How to read these tables

The first column is date, which is self-explanatory. The second is the number of sales in the specific area. Sales include detached, attached, apartment, land only and multi-family. Multi-family tends to include smaller multi-unit buildings rather than apartment buildings, which usually turn up on the commercial MLS system. There are also few multi-family sales each week. The third column is average list price for the day – in other words, the total of all list prices divided by the number of new listings. The fourth column is the average sales price of all sales reported that day. the sales are reported after subjects are removed, and can be from 0 to perhaps 14 days old. Listings, by comparison, are generally brand new, and lag by at most 3-5 days (in times of high listing volume the lag can be a little more, but not as much as with sales).

The fifth and sixth columns show the difference between average list price and sell price in dollar figures and percentages. Hot markets see properties sell within 1%-1.5% of list price.

The last column is days on market (DOMs). In most real estate markets 60 DOMs is by no means bad, and would often be regarded as great. In the Lower Mainland, especially compared to the last decade, it is high. Hot markets see DOMs like 30.



Snapshot

New Listings 367

Price Changes 230

Sold Listings 184



Sell/List

The sell/list is a simple measure of demand that divides a given number of sales by the number of new listings taken during the same period. It is expressed as a percentage. In a hot market, we sell more properties than we list, so the number exceeds 100%. Markets like that commonly see multiple offers over list price. Slow markets, on the other hand, are characterized by low sell/lists, below 35%.

Today’s sell/list was 50.14%



Vancouver real estate sales statistics are courtesy of the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver, and while all efforts are made to ensure their accuracy, neither the REBGV nor Rob Chipman are liable for any errors.

May 28, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics

May 28, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics for the REBGV and FVREB.



Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver (REBGV) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-28241$871,741$830,044$41,6964.7850


Fraser Valley Real Estate Board (FVREB) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-2858$611,682$591,403$20,2783.3246


Results for Both Boards

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-28299$821,294$783,752$37,5424.5749


How to read these tables

The first column is date, which is self-explanatory. The second is the number of sales in the specific area. Sales include detached, attached, apartment, land only and multi-family. Multi-family tends to include smaller multi-unit buildings rather than apartment buildings, which usually turn up on the commercial MLS system. There are also few multi-family sales each week. The third column is average list price for the day – in other words, the total of all list prices divided by the number of new listings. The fourth column is the average sales price of all sales reported that day. the sales are reported after subjects are removed, and can be from 0 to perhaps 14 days old. Listings, by comparison, are generally brand new, and lag by at most 3-5 days (in times of high listing volume the lag can be a little more, but not as much as with sales).

The fifth and sixth columns show the difference between average list price and sell price in dollar figures and percentages. Hot markets see properties sell within 1%-1.5% of list price.

The last column is days on market (DOMs). In most real estate markets 60 DOMs is by no means bad, and would often be regarded as great. In the Lower Mainland, especially compared to the last decade, it is high. Hot markets see DOMs like 30.



Snapshot

New Listings 345

Price Changes 176

Sold Listings 299



Sell/List

The sell/list is a simple measure of demand that divides a given number of sales by the number of new listings taken during the same period. It is expressed as a percentage. In a hot market, we sell more properties than we list, so the number exceeds 100%. Markets like that commonly see multiple offers over list price. Slow markets, on the other hand, are characterized by low sell/lists, below 35%.

Today’s sell/list was 87.76%



Vancouver real estate sales statistics are courtesy of the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver, and while all efforts are made to ensure their accuracy, neither the REBGV nor Rob Chipman are liable for any errors.

May 27, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics

May 27, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics for the REBGV and FVREB.



Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver (REBGV) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-27127$793,650$752,312$41,3375.2155


Fraser Valley Real Estate Board (FVREB) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-2734$464,435$447,813$16,6223.5892


Results for Both Boards

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-27161$724,126$688,008$36,1184.9962


How to read these tables

The first column is date, which is self-explanatory. The second is the number of sales in the specific area. Sales include detached, attached, apartment, land only and multi-family. Multi-family tends to include smaller multi-unit buildings rather than apartment buildings, which usually turn up on the commercial MLS system. There are also few multi-family sales each week. The third column is average list price for the day – in other words, the total of all list prices divided by the number of new listings. The fourth column is the average sales price of all sales reported that day. the sales are reported after subjects are removed, and can be from 0 to perhaps 14 days old. Listings, by comparison, are generally brand new, and lag by at most 3-5 days (in times of high listing volume the lag can be a little more, but not as much as with sales).

The fifth and sixth columns show the difference between average list price and sell price in dollar figures and percentages. Hot markets see properties sell within 1%-1.5% of list price.

The last column is days on market (DOMs). In most real estate markets 60 DOMs is by no means bad, and would often be regarded as great. In the Lower Mainland, especially compared to the last decade, it is high. Hot markets see DOMs like 30.



Snapshot

New Listings 369

Price Changes 232

Sold Listings 162



Sell/List

The sell/list is a simple measure of demand that divides a given number of sales by the number of new listings taken during the same period. It is expressed as a percentage. In a hot market, we sell more properties than we list, so the number exceeds 100%. Markets like that commonly see multiple offers over list price. Slow markets, on the other hand, are characterized by low sell/lists, below 35%.

Today’s sell/list was 43.90%



Vancouver real estate sales statistics are courtesy of the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver, and while all efforts are made to ensure their accuracy, neither the REBGV nor Rob Chipman are liable for any errors.

Buyer Beware – Discount Listing Services

It is a fact that real estate sales commissions in Canada are completely negotiable. It is against the law to fix them at any specific level. The Competition Bureau, an arm of the federal government, is motivated to prosecute anyone it can find guilty of doing so. In fact, it has been involved in a misguided attempt to prove that certain parts of the real estate industry have in fact been restricting competition (misguided because the Competition Bureau has been going after the wrong people, and because the restriction of competition simply does not exist).

Proof of the fact that competition is not restricted, and of the fact that commissions are completely negotiable, is provided in a recent news story about a bad apple in the organized real estate barrel. The story also provides a cautionary tale for both buyers and fans of discount listing services.

Marco Vincenzi, a Vancouver area realtor, reportedly admitted to altering documents related to the sale of a local condo. You can find reports of the event here and here. Mr. Vincenzi was acting as a buyer agent in the purchase. The listing offered a reduced commission. We don’t know how much of a reduction it was, but that’s irrelevant to the issue. Mr. Vincenzi wanted to be paid more than was offered, and so apparently created a fee agreement and allegedly forged his buyer’s name onto it, according to reports.

It’s time to review a few things.

Commissions

“Standard” commission rates vary across the country, and again, I’ll stress that “standard” is a relative term. Commissions are about as standard as Vancouver lots – they vary. That said, traditional standard commissions in the Lower Mainland tend to be 7% on the first $100,000 of sales price, and 2.5% on the balance. Half of that would stay with the seller’s agent (who used to be called the “listing agent”) and half would go to the buyer’s agent (who used to be called the “selling agent”).

In the old days there was a 7% fee levied by the real estate board on the commission. That 7% funded the Multiple Listing Service. The listing agent (the guy working for the seller) paid that fee to the board, so in order to get an effective net split between the seller’s agent and the buyer’s agent the seller’s agent would take 53.5% of the total commission and the buyer agent would get 46.5% of the total commission. Don’t let your eyes glaze over, because this history is important: 7% x 46.5% = 3.255%, and 2.5% x 46.5% = 1.1625%. These figures are still in use today, even though the 7% levied by the board was long ago replaced by a flat monthly access fee. Where you see the 3.255% and 1.1625% is on the realtor’s version of a listing print out, near the bottom. Buyer agents look at that to know how much they’ll get paid if they sell the property.

There’s nothing wrong with this. Most people don’t work if they aren’t being paid, and most people want to know how much they’ll be paid. Printing on the listing what the pay rate to the buyer agent is is fair and reasonable. It has to be printed on each listing for the simple reason that there is no standard rate; a buyer agent can’t just assume that he’ll be paid any specific amount. There has to be a contract somewhere stating that he’ll be paid, and that contract is what causes the listing print out to say “3.255%/1.1625%”.

It doesn’t always say that. In the late 80s and early 90s the “standard” commission rate took a 1.5% beating in the Lower Mainland, leading to 5.5% on the first $100,000. That translates into “2.5575%/1.1625%”. With the advent of flat fee listing programs that percentage figure has sometimes been a flat fee, in which case it would simply say “$2,500″ or some other figure. Of course, the seller can also offer a bonus to look more attractive, so that you can find listings that offer “3.255%/1.1625% and $2000 selling bonus”.

The point is, every member realtor (i.e., member of a real estate board) can see what he or she will be paid in the event of a successful sale. Mr. Vincenzi knew, or should have known, exactly what the discounted listing was going to pay him.

Agency

More history. When I came into real estate we operated under a system called “sub-agency”. A realtor listed a property for a seller, and became his agent. Buyer agents existed, but were misnamed, because they did not actually work for the buyer according to prevailing law. They were. in fact, sub-agents of the listing agent, and worked for the seller. All the agency duties owed by an agent to a principal were owed by all agents to the seller. The buyer was, technically speaking, unrepresented.

This legal situation did not reflect what actually occurred. Buyer agents did then what they do now: they provided information to buyers, negotiated for them, advised them, kept their confidences, etc., just as they do today, but the prevailing wisdom was that the seller paid the commission. The real estate industry changed the system and adopted what we refer to as “agency”. This meant that each party, both buyer and seller, had their own agent, and it meant that the law now reflected that fact. The idea that the seller paid the commission was thrown out the window (based largely on the assertion that while the seller did pay the commission he did so with money that the buyer gave him). We began to describe commissions as “transaction driven” – meaning they were paid by both the seller and buyer equally, which reflects the actual facts on the ground.

Making this existing fact plain allowed some sellers to declare “I’m not paying for the buyer’s agent. If the buyer wants an agent they can pay for that themselves”. This led to something called a “fee agreement”. A fee agreement is exactly that – an agreement that someone (usually a seller, but also possibly a buyer) is going to pay someone else (usually a buyer agent) a certain fee.

Sellers would sign a fee agreement because a buyer agent would explain to them that their buyer was ready, willing and able to buy, but required that their agent be paid out of the sales proceeds. Since the listing contract paid a discounted commission the buyer agent would get the seller to agree to a fee agreement to ensure that the buyer agent was paid as much as he felt he was worth.

The potential for conflict is obvious. A buyer agent could meet with a seller and a seller agent and claim that his buyer required that the buyer agent be paid a bonus, and the buyer agent would have the offer as leverage: “Don’t sign the fee agreement and I won’t present the offer, and you, Mr. Seller, will miss the sale!”.

There’s a simple solution: outlaw secret commissions (done, done and done a long time ago) and require the buyer to sign the fee agreement as well as the seller. The idea is that since both parties pay the transaction driven commission, both parties have a right to agree or disagree on how much commission is paid and how it is shared. In fact, they have more than a right to know. They actually have to agree.

If the allegations are true it should be apparent why Mr. Vincenzi would forge his buyer’s signature. He didn’t think she’d agree to pay him. What’s not clear is how he thought he’d get away with it. To understand why you have to imagine how the buyer pays the seller for real estate. It doesn’t happen directly, and there are several forms involved that instruct the people involved who to pay, and how much to pay them. The amount of people involved and the amount of paper involved makes it tough to keep anything secret. That, of course, is why Mr. Vincenzi appears to have been caught – the other realtor (while not owing the buyer any agency duties he does owe the buyer the duty of fair treatment) raised the red flag.

The Current Commission and Agency Structure

The current commission and agency structure allow for a great deal of latitude in arranging realtor compensation. To qualify for MLS exposure sellers must offer some sort of commission to a co-operating buyer agent. However, that amount can be as low as $1.00 (a quick search of the MLS reveals that there are at least three active listings on the REBGV MLS offering exactly that). Aside from that the total amount of commission paid to realtors for services rendered is completely negotiable. It can be a percentage or a flat fee.

Agents can work for sellers, buyers or both, but they no longer all work for the seller by default, as they did thirty years ago. That means that sellers can refrain from paying buyer agents a viable commission rate. In essence, sellers can practically enter into an exclusive agency agreement with their realtor and yet enjoy the benefits of the MLS.

The amount of commission paid must be disclosed to both the seller and the buyer. This is done with the seller through the listing agreement. The buyer gets a completely different and distinct form, called a Disclosure of Remuneration. There are no secret commissions.

If a seller does not offer enough commission to make it worth the buyer agent’s while the buyer can enter into two types of agreement – either a fee agreement with the seller, disclosed to the buyer, or a buyer agency agreement whereby the buyer pays the buyer agent directly.

What Should a Buyer Beware Of?

Obviously, a buyer should beware of individuals acting as Mr. Vincenzi is alleged to have acted (not having seen the Real Estate Council’s report, I’ll use the word “alleged”). But here is how a buyer can protect themselves.

Ask for the Full Realtor printout of the listing and look at what commission the buyer agent is receiving. If the seller is offering $1.00, as this listing is, be prepared to either ask your realtor to work for free or be prepared to see a fee agreement or buyer agency agreement. You get what you pay for.

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Not all discount listings pay discount co-operating commissions. When I sell a mere listing package to a consumer I advise them to offer a healthy buyer commission.
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Obviously, a seller who offers no co-operating commission is less interesting to many buyer agents than one who offers a reasonable commission. However, a seller who offers a deeply reduced co-op commission may be tipping his hand a bit in terms of sophistication or motivation.

Also look in the realtor comments of the Full Realtor print out. A “mere” posting indicates (although this is not 100%) that the seller is not represented by a professional realtor. This is worth knowing if you are a buyer. A seller without an agent may, indeed, be very tough to get in touch with.

Ask for the Disclosure of Remuneration form. This is the form that discloses to the buyer how much the buyer agent will be paid if the buyer purchases a specific property.

There’s one last thing to consider from a buyer’s point of view when dealing with a discounted listing. There is a train of thought that says that the market price for real estate includes the transaction costs. If the “standard” commission portion of the transaction cost is 7% and 2.5%, that comes out to $13,250 on a $300,000 sale (exclusive of tax). If the buyer agent, working for the buyer, get’s the traditional 46.5% of the traditional 7% &2.5%, there is still a little over $7,000 that the seller has saved by making use of a mere posting and doing the marketing and negotiating themselves.

What can you make of that? How about this: The buyer agent explains to the buyer how he is paid and what value he brings to the table. He explains that if the buyer wants to buy a discount listing there has to be enough commission for the buyer agent or else they will have to use a fee agreement or a buyer agency agreement. The two of them do, indeed, find a property that is listed as a mere posting. It’s arm’s length market value is $300,000, just like our example above. The seller is offering $6,161 as a co-op commission. The seller plans to net an additional $7,000.

Is there anything stopping the buyer and the buyer agent from going after all or part of that $7,000? The answer is “Absolutely not!”. All the buyer has to do is say “Listen, we’re in a terrible market and buyers are in short supply. Instead of paying you $300,000 I’ll pay $293,00. You don’t save $7,000, but you come out exactly where you would have if you’d been paying a realtor, so you’re in the same position”.

The seller can come back and say “Wait! I did the work of the listing agent, so I’m entitled to that savings”, and then, dear Buyer, you can start negotiating. Any part of that $7,000 that you get is money that you and your buyer agent have earned for yourself. Think about it. An hour of negotiations could very easily earn you $5,000, with your buyer agent doing most of the work, and you not really doing anything extra.

Mr. Vincenzi and Justice

Based on the facts as I understand them there is really no reason this had to happen. Mr. Vincenzi was apparently closing in on $100,000 gross commission for the year. That’s gross, not net. we don;t know for sure, but there’s a rule of thumb that says that all splits are 70/30 by the time they get to the book-keeper, meaning $100,000 gross is $70,000 net. He reportedly consented to a 120 day suspension of his license, which means he can’t sell real estate for 25% of the year. You could argue that he received a $25,000 fine, based on his gross income.

We don’t know why he allegedly forged the documents, and because he consented to discipline the possibility exists that he did not forge them at all, but was caught breaking some other rule. However, we do know (based on the reports) that he used a fee agreement, that the fee agreement required the buyer’s signature, and that the other realtor discovered an irregularity and blew the whistle. Score one for honest realtors.

The buyer can sue Mr. Vincenzi and his brokerage. Both the agent and the brokerage have errors and omissions insurance, so the buyer can collect if she proves damages. The problem is that as of now it appears her damages are emotional rather than financial. She apparently got the property and did not lose any money. It’s tough to prove damages in court if you haven’t suffered reasonable damages.

However, if the buyer can prove that Mr. Vincenzi breached his agency relationship with her she could demand that he forfeit his commission. With a Real Estate Council finding in hand it should be pretty easy to prove that the agency relationship was breached (and, in fact, this may already ahve been addressed and simply not reported on).

Realtors must have a license to provide real estate trading services in BC. This puts them under the jurisdiction of the Real Estate Council (an arm of government), as well as all laws of general application. They do not have to be members of any real estate board (real estate boards are voluntary trade organizations), but most are. Realtors who are members of a real estate board have to abide by the published ethics of the board they belong to. Anyone accused of doing what Mr. Vincenzi is alleged to have done is fair game for real estate board discipline, should the board receive a complaint. That complaint, of course, takes second place to a Real Estate Council complaint, but REC discipline does not preclude additional real estate board discipline.

The Real Estate Council, being a government licensing body, can impose fines, license suspensions and education requirements. The real estate board, contrary to common belief, cannot remove licenses. They can require education and suspend membership privileges, however.

What about forgery? I’ve read a lot of unhappy comments on blogs about dishonest realtors (each of them forgetting that it was honest realtors who caught the bad one before the buyer ever knew what was going wrong), but I haven’t seen many comments questioning whether forgery occurred, and if it did, why the police are not investigating it. I don’t want to send any more trouble Mr. Vincenzi’s way, but I will offer this: if you think that what Mr. Vincenzi has done is criminal, and you do not think that the REC has punished him enough, consider the role of your local police. It seems to me that either he has not committed a crime (in which case there is no role for the police) or he has (in which case it is not the role of the Real Estate Council to deal with the criminal aspect of the case).

Just food for thought.

May 24, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics

May 24, 2013 Vancouver Real Estate Sales Statistics for the REBGV and FVREB.



Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver (REBGV) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-2485$886,244$848,106$38,1374.3065


Fraser Valley Real Estate Board (FVREB) results

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-2469$561,473$545,277$16,1952.8859


Results for Both Boards

Date# Of
Sales
Avg
List
Price
Avg
Sale
Price
Avg
Diff$
Avg
Diff%
Avg
DOM
2013-05-24154$740,730$712,423$28,3063.8262


How to read these tables

The first column is date, which is self-explanatory. The second is the number of sales in the specific area. Sales include detached, attached, apartment, land only and multi-family. Multi-family tends to include smaller multi-unit buildings rather than apartment buildings, which usually turn up on the commercial MLS system. There are also few multi-family sales each week. The third column is average list price for the day – in other words, the total of all list prices divided by the number of new listings. The fourth column is the average sales price of all sales reported that day. the sales are reported after subjects are removed, and can be from 0 to perhaps 14 days old. Listings, by comparison, are generally brand new, and lag by at most 3-5 days (in times of high listing volume the lag can be a little more, but not as much as with sales).

The fifth and sixth columns show the difference between average list price and sell price in dollar figures and percentages. Hot markets see properties sell within 1%-1.5% of list price.

The last column is days on market (DOMs). In most real estate markets 60 DOMs is by no means bad, and would often be regarded as great. In the Lower Mainland, especially compared to the last decade, it is high. Hot markets see DOMs like 30.



Snapshot

New Listings 356

Price Changes 225

Sold Listings 154



Sell/List

The sell/list is a simple measure of demand that divides a given number of sales by the number of new listings taken during the same period. It is expressed as a percentage. In a hot market, we sell more properties than we list, so the number exceeds 100%. Markets like that commonly see multiple offers over list price. Slow markets, on the other hand, are characterized by low sell/lists, below 35%.

Today’s sell/list was 43.26%



Vancouver real estate sales statistics are courtesy of the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver, and while all efforts are made to ensure their accuracy, neither the REBGV nor Rob Chipman are liable for any errors.

Vancouver real estate sales statistics with total sales, new listings, average list price, average sales price, list/sell ratio and doms