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	<title>Comments on: So You Want To Write a Lowball! (part 1)</title>
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		<title>By: Richmond Rich Renter</title>
		<link>http://www.robchipman.net/so-you-want-to-write-a-lowball-part-1-2/comment-page-2#comment-23651</link>
		<dc:creator>Richmond Rich Renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pricedoutfamilyof4 said:  &quot;Why would someone take a lowball offer if they bought the house or condo within the last two years, because they overpaid for it and would lose tons of money, just wondering&quot;

I know of a house in Richmond that&#039;s listed for 50K less than the owner paid 2 years ago.  In his case, he was transferred to the US and NEEDS to sell.  He&#039;s got 2 mortgages now.

Like a lot of people here have already said - there&#039;s lots of reasons.  You just have to find the place that you like with the best opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pricedoutfamilyof4 said:  &#8220;Why would someone take a lowball offer if they bought the house or condo within the last two years, because they overpaid for it and would lose tons of money, just wondering&#8221;</p>
<p>I know of a house in Richmond that&#8217;s listed for 50K less than the owner paid 2 years ago.  In his case, he was transferred to the US and NEEDS to sell.  He&#8217;s got 2 mortgages now.</p>
<p>Like a lot of people here have already said &#8211; there&#8217;s lots of reasons.  You just have to find the place that you like with the best opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Chipman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Chipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJ:

I&#039;m not sure I follow you entirely, but again, you clearly understand the basics.  Buyers often think they bring everything they need  to the table simply by being willing to buy something for themselves.  A smarter buyer will understand that giving more (to the seller and to the agent) can result in receiving more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJ:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I follow you entirely, but again, you clearly understand the basics.  Buyers often think they bring everything they need  to the table simply by being willing to buy something for themselves.  A smarter buyer will understand that giving more (to the seller and to the agent) can result in receiving more.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I have a loyal agent as a buyer, I anticipate from this agent to guard my interest and info with the incentive of building relationship and future effective business transaction opportunity! With that in mind I talk to my agent with my own words not fluffing them, He/She gets the essence and get the deal done! Win win for all, min wile Agent ought to filter all irritating sale points for both sides isn&#039;t it professionalism of this trade! 
Or due to the long lasting flourishing RE market this trade abilities faded away even from &quot;Agent Pros&quot; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I have a loyal agent as a buyer, I anticipate from this agent to guard my interest and info with the incentive of building relationship and future effective business transaction opportunity! With that in mind I talk to my agent with my own words not fluffing them, He/She gets the essence and get the deal done! Win win for all, min wile Agent ought to filter all irritating sale points for both sides isn&#8217;t it professionalism of this trade!<br />
Or due to the long lasting flourishing RE market this trade abilities faded away even from &#8220;Agent Pros&#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why would someone take a lowball offer if they bought the house or condo within the last two years, because they overpaid for it and would lose tons of money, just wondering&lt;/i&gt;

Because buyers determine the sale price of a property. If you want to sell, you have to take the best offer from among the prospective buyers. They only care about how much they&#039;re willing to pay, not how much you paid for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why would someone take a lowball offer if they bought the house or condo within the last two years, because they overpaid for it and would lose tons of money, just wondering</i></p>
<p>Because buyers determine the sale price of a property. If you want to sell, you have to take the best offer from among the prospective buyers. They only care about how much they&#8217;re willing to pay, not how much you paid for it.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this case Jeff we are discussing mechanism of information fishing! and not cutting through.....
I assume that Agents talk to each other and are getting hints of what the merit of the deals are</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case Jeff we are discussing mechanism of information fishing! and not cutting through&#8230;..<br />
I assume that Agents talk to each other and are getting hints of what the merit of the deals are</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, OK &quot;If we don’t want to use extra money to get us over the hump we need to use something else.&quot; and I&#039;m of 100% in support of that approach! On top of that, I anticipate my &quot;Agent Pro&quot; be SUPPER well rounded/ mannered to write an attractive offer with a necessary motivation but no &quot;tangible value&quot; drainage from Buyer ($$$) in this market conditions! As a buyer I am guessing and taking risk the same if not grater than seller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, OK &#8220;If we don’t want to use extra money to get us over the hump we need to use something else.&#8221; and I&#8217;m of 100% in support of that approach! On top of that, I anticipate my &#8220;Agent Pro&#8221; be SUPPER well rounded/ mannered to write an attractive offer with a necessary motivation but no &#8220;tangible value&#8221; drainage from Buyer ($$$) in this market conditions! As a buyer I am guessing and taking risk the same if not grater than seller.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJ:
You just don&#039;t know... you make the offer and find out the motivation level of the seller via acceptance or a counter offer... and even then you could be paying a lot more than the seller wants or needs.

Example:
I sold a place (I was the listing agent) where the seller told me how much she &quot;needed&quot; as she could afford a particular amount of loss.  After we got an accepted offer that was quite fantastic she told me that she was prepared to go $85k lower if she had to.  She would have incurred $100k loss at that level but that is how low she thought she&#039;d have to go.  If she still had that property today it&#039;d be down at least the $85k... I&#039;m happy for her that we got it sold!  But the point is... the buyer could have got a much better deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJ:<br />
You just don&#8217;t know&#8230; you make the offer and find out the motivation level of the seller via acceptance or a counter offer&#8230; and even then you could be paying a lot more than the seller wants or needs.</p>
<p>Example:<br />
I sold a place (I was the listing agent) where the seller told me how much she &#8220;needed&#8221; as she could afford a particular amount of loss.  After we got an accepted offer that was quite fantastic she told me that she was prepared to go $85k lower if she had to.  She would have incurred $100k loss at that level but that is how low she thought she&#8217;d have to go.  If she still had that property today it&#8217;d be down at least the $85k&#8230; I&#8217;m happy for her that we got it sold!  But the point is&#8230; the buyer could have got a much better deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Chipman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Chipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Well, take a few month back and what was the reasoning to write an offer of asking price when you where needed to add that you willing to go higher in case any competition!&quot;

That&#039;s somthing I would never do nor recommend.  Its a terrible move in my opinion.   I can&#039;t explain why anyone would do it, and if I was presented with it I&#039;d probably consider making the buyer pay more (sit the buyer down, with the buyer&#039;s agent, across the table from me and the seller and start having some fun). 

&quot;So begs the question where do I get the info...&quot;

See, you do understand.  That is the question.  Uncovering motivation isn&#039;t easy, but its very valuable.  Its personal info that belongs to the seller (or the buyer); both parties have to allow their agents to disclose it, and should be careful about what they disclose and what they keep hidden. That&#039;s why I&#039;ve started with the agency brochure and the agency relationship.  It starts (but certainly doesn&#039;t end) there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Well, take a few month back and what was the reasoning to write an offer of asking price when you where needed to add that you willing to go higher in case any competition!&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s somthing I would never do nor recommend.  Its a terrible move in my opinion.   I can&#8217;t explain why anyone would do it, and if I was presented with it I&#8217;d probably consider making the buyer pay more (sit the buyer down, with the buyer&#8217;s agent, across the table from me and the seller and start having some fun). </p>
<p>&#8220;So begs the question where do I get the info&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>See, you do understand.  That is the question.  Uncovering motivation isn&#8217;t easy, but its very valuable.  Its personal info that belongs to the seller (or the buyer); both parties have to allow their agents to disclose it, and should be careful about what they disclose and what they keep hidden. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;ve started with the agency brochure and the agency relationship.  It starts (but certainly doesn&#8217;t end) there.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Chipman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Chipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJ:

Let me see if this makes sense to you. When I say that you&#039;re not seeing the forest for the trees I mean that you sort of understand but aren&#039;t connecting all the parts in the right order.  As a buyer you bring the sellers benefits - you&#039;re serious, you&#039;ll complete, you have hard earned cash, etc.  But, with a lowball your price is not attractive (at least at first glance).

Think about when you go married.  Did you propose to your wife with a fax saying &quot;I offer to marry you, the benefits are obvious, if you&#039;re serious you&#039;ll accept this offer and move on, consider the ring as a deposit&quot; or did you think &quot;Maybe a nice box with a ribbon would help&quot;?  

What I&#039;m suggesting is that you make your offer a win for the seller and sell that to him on the basis of the positives, not the negatives.  I think you can see the merit there.  Jeff says, for example &quot;Take $200 because I&#039;m afraid of what might happen&quot;.  I say, instead, &quot;Take $200 because I really want your place, I can only afford $200, but with the $200 you can start enjoying your golden years on the beach in Mexico.  The ecomonic downturn in the US has kicked the crap out of the Mexican beachside real estate market and there are lots of Americans being forced to liquidate.  My $200 in your hands turns into much more where you&#039;re going, so its really a benefit to you, plus you know that your house is left in good hands&quot;. 

That approach assumes that I&#039;ve learned something about the guy&#039;s motivation, and that in this case its retirment in Mexico. What the particular motivation is isn&#039;t important.  What&#039;s important is that I sell him on his motivation, not on mine.  Let&#039;s face it - he doesn&#039;t care too much about me but he cares a lot about himself.  Approaching it that way, doing the extra work and understanding what the other guy wants doesn&#039;t ensure we get the deal, but it increase the chances of it.  In a market with record low volumes it seems obvious to me that someone has to do something extra to make the deal work.   If we don&#039;t want to use extra money to get us over the hump we need to use something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJ:</p>
<p>Let me see if this makes sense to you. When I say that you&#8217;re not seeing the forest for the trees I mean that you sort of understand but aren&#8217;t connecting all the parts in the right order.  As a buyer you bring the sellers benefits &#8211; you&#8217;re serious, you&#8217;ll complete, you have hard earned cash, etc.  But, with a lowball your price is not attractive (at least at first glance).</p>
<p>Think about when you go married.  Did you propose to your wife with a fax saying &#8220;I offer to marry you, the benefits are obvious, if you&#8217;re serious you&#8217;ll accept this offer and move on, consider the ring as a deposit&#8221; or did you think &#8220;Maybe a nice box with a ribbon would help&#8221;?  </p>
<p>What I&#8217;m suggesting is that you make your offer a win for the seller and sell that to him on the basis of the positives, not the negatives.  I think you can see the merit there.  Jeff says, for example &#8220;Take $200 because I&#8217;m afraid of what might happen&#8221;.  I say, instead, &#8220;Take $200 because I really want your place, I can only afford $200, but with the $200 you can start enjoying your golden years on the beach in Mexico.  The ecomonic downturn in the US has kicked the crap out of the Mexican beachside real estate market and there are lots of Americans being forced to liquidate.  My $200 in your hands turns into much more where you&#8217;re going, so its really a benefit to you, plus you know that your house is left in good hands&#8221;. </p>
<p>That approach assumes that I&#8217;ve learned something about the guy&#8217;s motivation, and that in this case its retirment in Mexico. What the particular motivation is isn&#8217;t important.  What&#8217;s important is that I sell him on his motivation, not on mine.  Let&#8217;s face it &#8211; he doesn&#8217;t care too much about me but he cares a lot about himself.  Approaching it that way, doing the extra work and understanding what the other guy wants doesn&#8217;t ensure we get the deal, but it increase the chances of it.  In a market with record low volumes it seems obvious to me that someone has to do something extra to make the deal work.   If we don&#8217;t want to use extra money to get us over the hump we need to use something else.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>should state: somewhat reasonable beneficiary incentives to the Seller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>should state: somewhat reasonable beneficiary incentives to the Seller.</p>
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